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suannee's avatar

If this paper would go viral and people would actually read it, if not putting an end to the environmental insanity, it might at least open some eyes (or not). The powers that control things in the climate change industrial complex would lose bazillions of dollars that support them.

Here. https://scienceofclimatechange.org/wp-content/uploads/SCC-Grok-3-Review-V5-1.pdf

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Patrick McGuire's avatar

As the old saying goes, “it couldn’t happen to nicer guys”. And good luck getting Pam Bondi and Marco.Rubio to recognize t the authority of a Dutch court over North Dakota.

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environMENTAL's avatar

You won't believe this but my sister who lives in Berlin was sorority sisters with Pam at Univ. of Florida in the late 1980s.

She looks at this from Berlin now and it seems surreal.

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Nick's avatar

Bit of pushback in Western australia, I knew one of these protestors, nice guy but this was a crazy move

https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/activists-cop-thousands-in-fines-for-protest-at-woodside-boss-home-20250210-p5laxo.html

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environMENTAL's avatar

Paint is obnoxious, narcissistic, and has a cost. But it's not in the same genre as IEDs and knives and burning vehicles and killing livestock.

But, hey. You might still get there before these folks recede back into their termite mounds.

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colin green's avatar

Hi Jim, thanks for your question

In Australa we have an organisation called the environment defenders office which is largely financed by our federal government. In the case against Santos false information was given by an expert about aboriginal sacred sited

Damages were awarded against this organisation so these will bankrupt it

The perpetrator hasnt been persued for contempt of court

The situation regarding natural gas in Australia is this. We are the third largest gas exporter in the world, but because of exploration bans on the east coast we are now building import terminals for LNG

You couldnt make this up if you tried!

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environMENTAL's avatar

Something similar has played out before here. Sacred rock piles. In a location that they had not been disturbed for thousands of years. The native organization pointed these out.

Turns out the rocks they were pointing to were right on top of an existing oil pipeline corridor, and those rocks had not been sitting there for thousands of years. A machine put them there 20 odd years ago.

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K Tucker Andersen's avatar

👍👍Hopefully I litigation proofed my self - not only loved this post but also restocked it and subscribed to your Substack. The Dakota represent sanity - had two of the best governors in the country until Trump poached them both.

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environMENTAL's avatar

Very kind of you. And thank you for subscribing! Welcome to the 'Mental Ward.

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colin green's avatar

Great article and perhaps some of the chickens are finally coming home to roost

In Australia we had a similar case against gas company Santos. False statements were made about the area being an aboriginal sacred site. The case for the aborigines was financed among others by our federal government. Go figure! The sums of money involved were huge

Is it time these NGOs had to disclose were their money comes from and their tax deductibility status is questioned?

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environMENTAL's avatar

Thanks!

It is past time for that.

We suspect that if we ever get our hands on those details, there are going to be some uncomfortable connections with foreign influences in particular.

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Jim Lane's avatar

How is G paying defense costs? Do they also owe plntf defense expense?

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environMENTAL's avatar

No info, but they have cash and assets. Here's the Greenpeace Inc. 2023 IRS Form 990> https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/521541501/202422399349300212/full

And the one for Greenpeace Fund Inc. same year https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/953313195/202402399349300310/full

No info yet on plaintiff def. exp. Judgment order not certified apparently yet.

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colin green's avatar

Hi Jim, thanks for your question

In Australa we have an organisation called the environment defenders office which is largely financed by our federal government. In the case against Santos false information was given by an expert about aboriginal sacred sited

Damages were awarded against this organisation so these will bankrupt it

The perpetrator hasnt been persued for contempt of court

The situation regarding natural gas in Australia is this. We are the third largest gas exporter in the world, but because of exploration bans on the east coast we are now building import terminals for LNG

You couldnt make this up if you tried!

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environMENTAL's avatar

We think the neo-Malthusians and the EcoStatists politically get sent to their safe space with cookies and puppies sooner rather than later.

Greens in Germany dropped from 14.8% to 11.6% from 2021 to 2025. Their energy situation did not magically get better last week. In fact, it voted for status quo. So, more economic and industrial decline seems baked in.

Parties in Germany that get less than 5% of the votes as we understand do not seats in the Bundestag. At a 3 percentage point drop in four years, unless they get energy & environmental reality, they may be sidelined completely within 10 years. Sounds crazy given past results, we know.

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Judith Gustafson's avatar

This helping of schadenfreude was better than sex and ice cream!

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environMENTAL's avatar

Ironic. Read as I was checking out at the store with ice cream. 🤣

Thanks!

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Art's avatar

Having been massively screwed over by interlopers like Greenpeace for a few centuries, Native Americans voted 2 to 1 for Trump in 2024, the largest margin of any ethnic group in the country. Go into Navajo Country and ask around and you will hear a lot of “hell yeahs” to that. Interestingly though an ostensibly African American (?!) NGO commissioned a do-over post election poll that found the opposite results, begging the question of their particular interest, other than becoming the latest interloper group trying to screw over Indians.

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environMENTAL's avatar

Thanks for the additional color.

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Waspi, Kevin G's avatar

A wonderful write up, thank you for providing some important pieces of the arguments before the court. My hope goes to the federal court system, where we need to see some PERSONAL liability being borne by the perpetrators of these "peaceful protests". Until INDIVIDUALS face the consequences of their actions (those with the dirty hands, as well as the bankers to them) these actions will continue under different umbrellas. The Tesla burners are just the latest incarnation (no pun intended) of these morons.

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environMENTAL's avatar

Thanks! If you'd like to read the full complaint, here's a link > https://climatecasechart.com/wp-content/uploads/case-documents/2019/20190823_docket-30-2019-0V-00180_complaint.pdf

There are some other doozies in those allegations.

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Waspi, Kevin G's avatar

Thank you!

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K Tucker Andersen's avatar

The Tesla burners are completely deranged. And Senator Mark Kelly looks like a clown for selling his Teslas and getting a gas guzzler in a fit of pique. What happened to the “ climate science ” , turned out to be as valid as the science behind the Covid jabs.

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Waspi, Kevin G's avatar

Deranged is being too polite, they are rabid.

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environMENTAL's avatar

Interestingly enough, that could be our next story....

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Jeff Keener's avatar

Gooder'n harder!

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environMENTAL's avatar

Ha!

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David Walker's avatar

Heh, that'll learn 'em!

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environMENTAL's avatar

Maybe. Takes them a while.

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dave walker's avatar

Cow punchers punched back….. I hope it hurts really bad

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environMENTAL's avatar

It'll be expensive one way or the other.

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Bruce McIntyre's avatar

Great post, the details from the lawsuit helped with the details, I do remember the incidents overall. We in Canada had similar incidents of violent attacks on permitted construction on one of the 2 pipeline projects we are building. (4th largest reserves in the world and no apparent business case for exports according to the government) Multiple attacks. No arrests. No investigation. No charges. No lawsuit because the perpetrators were not identified. Weapons were involved. But then we also burned over a hundred Christian churches up here over the past decade. Also no investigations, no arrests, no charges. So as wonderful as it is to see such success for Energy Transfer in America, the rule of law does not appear to apply to particular political philosophies here in Canada. We will continue to be subject to wanton violent protest without opportunity for legal recourse.

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environMENTAL's avatar

This is what we're worried about next.

https://envmental.substack.com/p/moral-hazards

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K Tucker Andersen's avatar

Thanks for the link - keep up the excellent reporting and analysis.

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environMENTAL's avatar

Thanks for joining the 'Mental Ward.

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Bruce McIntyre's avatar

I agree, there seems to be a revival of beliefs conflicting with certainty on all sides and no way for compromise to emerge. It is everywhere it seems, reminiscent of the 1910's and the 1930's.

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environMENTAL's avatar

We're worried about the targets being completed pipelines next.

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Bruce McIntyre's avatar

Encana had their gas pipeline bombed in 2008 and 2009 in British Colombia. It was in Northern BC. No one convicted or charged as I recall. Not a ton of damage but was a real bombing. It just stopped eventually in 2009. Again violence that just doesn’t seem to be solvable.

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Urs Broderick Furrer's avatar

Thank you for the reporting. This was literally the best news all week! Maybe Greenpeace has learned from Mike Tyson, who famously said “everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the face.”

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environMENTAL's avatar

You bet. Thanks!

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Andy Fately's avatar

Thanks for an excellent and detailed write-up of this situation. Doomberg's piece was fantastic, but the extra detail here was superb as well. My main concern is that while the organization may be bankrupted, the people there, who will not have to pay anything, will simply form a new organization with the same goals and become equally intrusive. I wonder if they will have learned a lesson from this situation though.

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environMENTAL's avatar

Thank you for the compliment!

Yes, they will form another organization using the Greenpeace name. We'll have to see if or how the behaviors change.

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Judith Gustafson's avatar

They might as well call it GreenWar

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environMENTAL's avatar

If they wish to go all “militant direction action” we like OG Greenpiece.

😉

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