I sincerely apologize for being late to this party. As you folks at MENTAL know, this crap has been going on since the late 60s when activists spiked trees in the northwest, and flung themselves in front of D9s to stop developments. Destruction at this level is an escalation. I would respectfully ask:
1. Have there been any arrests and subsequent prosecutions of these idiots?
2. In the US, does the FBI respect these organizations as much as they would a group from Iran or such like? Is the FBI or Homeland tracking these organizations?
Sad effing state of affairs these days! Thanks for the post, and for presenting their entire manifesto.
In the words of Jordan Peterson, these people should probably, “clean their own room before trying to save the planet.” Thanks for the good article Mental.
Thanks, we're preferable to his "people trying to slay dragons who have no idea of the consequences of their actions should try to solve something far less complex first." Or something like that.
It is hard to comprehend the mental state of these people if you are merely sane. Of all the results of the climate hysteria, the mental anguish and illness that has clearly resulted may be the worst consequence. they need serious mental help
Fear of no future can have that effect (the results of climate hysteria you noted).
It didn't have to be this way.
It will get corrected. Think Y2K. When it didn't happen, the mental anguish evaporated. This will take longer, the tick is more embedded and gave the patient an infection. But it'll happen.
The Volcano Group is a Marxist group. "In a word, oppressors and oppressed," said Karl Marx in "The Communist Manifesto." For Marxists, the issue is never the real issue. The real goal of Marxists is to create revolution to destroy all western democracies, including the U.S., and replace them with global communism, a form of totalitarianism.
At present, we don't consider groups like that anything more than a dangerous nuisance in the big picture.
But, we posted their manifesto b/c we believe more people should read their words, and take them at face value. And not underestimate their intentions.
Antifa were nobodies, a totally ignored fringe group until they joined up with the Greens promoting the ruling Oligarchy's Great Reset/Green Agenda/UN Agenda 2030. Now they are prominent in the media and get treated with kid gloves by the legal authorities. Notice they have no problem with NATO blowing up NG pipelines or instigating major, destructive wars in Ukraine. Nothing damaging to the environment in those events, no siree. Paid toadies. Truly disgusting.
Sounds like another attack by the Antifa "Brown shirts" in the employ of the Globalitarian Misanthropists who despise Elon Musk with a passion. They had $56B stolen from Musk already using some corrupt, sleazy judge in Delaware. Another blatant case of lawfare.
Musk took on a World of Hurt when he bought Twitter and tried to make it a freer speech platform. And has the audacity to criticize our Malthusian, Psychopathic, Parasite Overlords degrowth, deIndustrialization, anti-human agenda. Musk being a Cornucopian. Antifa (since they got bought), now totally supports the Malthusian Green Agenda. BLM also.
In spite of all its green products, Tesla still doesn't make the ESG top 500. And the top 5 on the ESG top 500 are the big Tech giants Apple, Amazon, Microsoft & Google/Alphabet all pro-censorship and thoroughly woke. With Rockefeller Exxon at #8 on the list.
Expect more attacks on Tesla, SpaceX and Musk like these unless he capitulates and joins the Cartel of Oppression. Like Bezos & Gates have.
Well, they’ve certainly thought through their complaints a little more deeply than the usual ‘oil is bad; solar/wind is good’ that we always hear. But, what is their solution? I’m hoping their ‘people in tree houses’ was badly translated, otherwise we are in a whole lot of trouble.
agreed. three (maybe four) groups within the modern environmental movement. some clearly ignorant, some clearly malevolent. some either highly knowledgeable or experts with whom we simply, respectfully disagree. we can deal with the 1st group, they can learn. We can learn from and with the third group, and do it respectfully.
they won't go back to the dark ages. before it gets even close to that, those in power will be removed and replaced with what we hope will be actual leaders who solve problems. People who can think 2-3 steps ahead, understand the law of unintended consequences, and the laws of physics and economics.
I hope your optimism plays out. Robert Habeck has been leading the demolition of Germany. I mean, who in their right mind would support the complete cancellation of nuclear power??
"The lithium batteries come from toxic mines in Chile and devour other rare metals, causing misery and destruction for the people in the mining areas. " I doubt they have even been to a mine in their lifetimes. I am always disgusted by people who live protected urban and suburban lives with zero experience outside of their built environment claiming that everyone who lives outside of a city is somehow "miserable and exploited" and worse yet, protesting in order to "protect" these people they have never met that they imagine are being harmed. It is meaningless and naive virtue-signaling, that I am convinced is some sort of mental disorder. But I wonder, is there actually money backing these protests coming from some even more sinister actor?
I've had boots on the ground in these "toxic" mines in Chile. They consist of a few buildings with lots of evaporation ponds. There is probably not any method of mining that is more benign than brine production of lithium. And the area is largely unpopulated except for the people who work for the mining companies. The Atacama desert is the driest place on the planet, getting less than 15 mm of rainfall in a year on average. If any people are miserable it is probably because of the climate of the Atacama, not the mining. Brine mining using evaporation is truly "solar power" as it depends on the sun and evaporation to concentrate the lithium brine. The same process happens naturally in the desert and some of the salt flats host flamingos that feed on the brine shrimp and algae that grows where there is this brackish water (funny how they survive this "toxic" condition). But you can't even get to these places without a 4x4. The Atacama is a beautiful place, and in none of my time there did I see anyone who who looked miserable with the exception of some hard working hard-rock copper miners that operated very small underground mines for copper ore. Even they seemed to love the challenges they faced and certainly did not feel "exploited." One of these miners shared some samples of Atacamite, a rare copper mineral found only in the Atacama with me and it is among my most prized rock samples. There is no one there protesting the lithium mines or even the copper mines which are the largest in the world.
Notice they haven't bothered staging a strike on any of the dozens of giant Earth-ripping Lignite open pits in Germany. Most polluting energy source on Earth, next to Germany's giant Wind & Solar industrial sites. They even demolish entire German historic towns in order to strip the lignite underneath them. I bet they were planning an attack on Germany's last few Nuclear power plants if the Greens hadn't succeeded in shutting them all down.
Well they did stage a big shindig in Lutzerath last Jan (2023) and even occupied an abandoned village. But that was their last stand in North Rhine-Westphalia, and they moved on.
Besides, the group is Lutzerath is the circus, mosh pit (plenty of pictures of that), and the virtue signalers and celebrities like Greta.
The people who did what happened outside the TSLA plant yesterday are ready to burn it all to the ground. They are the malevolent/violent wing of Antifa turning their torches and tires on energy infrastructure to burn their way to their nihilistic utopia!
They've been around for a long time, I believe a century or more. Never amounted to much and most people had never heard of them until they got co-opted into the Neoliberal establishment, minions of our Bankster Overlords, some of their brown shirts. They're being protected.
About half-way through I began to envision some person in a beret and Che Guevara tee shirt, smoking roll-your-own cigarettes, surrounded by discordant poetry books, and opposed to automobiles because secretly they don't know how to change a flat.
Now imagine him finding his way to a Trabant plant in E. Germany and setting it on fire b/c, while it was helping the E. Germans and Russians, it was killing the planet and enabling imperialism. That analogy work for mashup we have going on here?
I sincerely apologize for being late to this party. As you folks at MENTAL know, this crap has been going on since the late 60s when activists spiked trees in the northwest, and flung themselves in front of D9s to stop developments. Destruction at this level is an escalation. I would respectfully ask:
1. Have there been any arrests and subsequent prosecutions of these idiots?
2. In the US, does the FBI respect these organizations as much as they would a group from Iran or such like? Is the FBI or Homeland tracking these organizations?
Sad effing state of affairs these days! Thanks for the post, and for presenting their entire manifesto.
In the words of Jordan Peterson, these people should probably, “clean their own room before trying to save the planet.” Thanks for the good article Mental.
Thanks, we're preferable to his "people trying to slay dragons who have no idea of the consequences of their actions should try to solve something far less complex first." Or something like that.
Ok. And I thought it's all about the environment ... well ... I guess your slogan hits it home again. Worry about the people, not the plant.
hmmm. We adopted that in relation to the 5 billion beneath our living standards.
But add this to the list of worries.
It is hard to comprehend the mental state of these people if you are merely sane. Of all the results of the climate hysteria, the mental anguish and illness that has clearly resulted may be the worst consequence. they need serious mental help
Fear of no future can have that effect (the results of climate hysteria you noted).
It didn't have to be this way.
It will get corrected. Think Y2K. When it didn't happen, the mental anguish evaporated. This will take longer, the tick is more embedded and gave the patient an infection. But it'll happen.
the problem, I think, is they are passing it on to the younger generation now. will be hard to eliminate
Boy, I've read some nonsesnsival gibberish before, but that manifesto takes the cake.
They don't like Elon.
Or his cars/trucks.
Or imperialism or concentration of wealth. Or, how Elon's products are both part of war and the surveillance state.
(I'm just trying to get the SOB to quit squirreling Substack links to our posts on X. Sheesh! )
The Volcano Group is a Marxist group. "In a word, oppressors and oppressed," said Karl Marx in "The Communist Manifesto." For Marxists, the issue is never the real issue. The real goal of Marxists is to create revolution to destroy all western democracies, including the U.S., and replace them with global communism, a form of totalitarianism.
At present, we don't consider groups like that anything more than a dangerous nuisance in the big picture.
But, we posted their manifesto b/c we believe more people should read their words, and take them at face value. And not underestimate their intentions.
Antifa were nobodies, a totally ignored fringe group until they joined up with the Greens promoting the ruling Oligarchy's Great Reset/Green Agenda/UN Agenda 2030. Now they are prominent in the media and get treated with kid gloves by the legal authorities. Notice they have no problem with NATO blowing up NG pipelines or instigating major, destructive wars in Ukraine. Nothing damaging to the environment in those events, no siree. Paid toadies. Truly disgusting.
Sounds like another attack by the Antifa "Brown shirts" in the employ of the Globalitarian Misanthropists who despise Elon Musk with a passion. They had $56B stolen from Musk already using some corrupt, sleazy judge in Delaware. Another blatant case of lawfare.
Musk took on a World of Hurt when he bought Twitter and tried to make it a freer speech platform. And has the audacity to criticize our Malthusian, Psychopathic, Parasite Overlords degrowth, deIndustrialization, anti-human agenda. Musk being a Cornucopian. Antifa (since they got bought), now totally supports the Malthusian Green Agenda. BLM also.
In spite of all its green products, Tesla still doesn't make the ESG top 500. And the top 5 on the ESG top 500 are the big Tech giants Apple, Amazon, Microsoft & Google/Alphabet all pro-censorship and thoroughly woke. With Rockefeller Exxon at #8 on the list.
Expect more attacks on Tesla, SpaceX and Musk like these unless he capitulates and joins the Cartel of Oppression. Like Bezos & Gates have.
we don't think he will yet.
Well, they’ve certainly thought through their complaints a little more deeply than the usual ‘oil is bad; solar/wind is good’ that we always hear. But, what is their solution? I’m hoping their ‘people in tree houses’ was badly translated, otherwise we are in a whole lot of trouble.
Cars, trucks, plant expansions, consumption, impacting groundwater resources, imperialism, "technofascim" - “green capitalism” and a totalitarian technological attack on society.
Burn it all down.
It's really a simple solution. If you have enough fuel, we guess.
SMH.....
Ignorance and malevolence are not mutually exclusive.
agreed. three (maybe four) groups within the modern environmental movement. some clearly ignorant, some clearly malevolent. some either highly knowledgeable or experts with whom we simply, respectfully disagree. we can deal with the 1st group, they can learn. We can learn from and with the third group, and do it respectfully.
what to do with the 2nd group?
I’d say Michael Mann, just to name one, is both knowledgeable and malevolent.
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"You're talking about the non-sensical ravings of a lunatic mind." -- Young Frankenstein
good one!
C’mon. Lighten up on the Volcano dudes; they are just trying to liberate us from the patriarchy. Lol.
a) think authorities will catch them?
b) if they're caught, do you think they get anything more than a slap on the wrist?
Germany is entering a new Dark Ages of their own making. Pun in there, and sad nonetheless.
they won't go back to the dark ages. before it gets even close to that, those in power will be removed and replaced with what we hope will be actual leaders who solve problems. People who can think 2-3 steps ahead, understand the law of unintended consequences, and the laws of physics and economics.
I hope your optimism plays out. Robert Habeck has been leading the demolition of Germany. I mean, who in their right mind would support the complete cancellation of nuclear power??
Wow! Based on their own "bat-shit" crazy philosophy, how are they themselves even surviving from day to day?
"they have to work within the system".
So, they went to McDonalds and got chicken nuggets afterward.
They lost me here:
"The lithium batteries come from toxic mines in Chile and devour other rare metals, causing misery and destruction for the people in the mining areas. " I doubt they have even been to a mine in their lifetimes. I am always disgusted by people who live protected urban and suburban lives with zero experience outside of their built environment claiming that everyone who lives outside of a city is somehow "miserable and exploited" and worse yet, protesting in order to "protect" these people they have never met that they imagine are being harmed. It is meaningless and naive virtue-signaling, that I am convinced is some sort of mental disorder. But I wonder, is there actually money backing these protests coming from some even more sinister actor?
I've had boots on the ground in these "toxic" mines in Chile. They consist of a few buildings with lots of evaporation ponds. There is probably not any method of mining that is more benign than brine production of lithium. And the area is largely unpopulated except for the people who work for the mining companies. The Atacama desert is the driest place on the planet, getting less than 15 mm of rainfall in a year on average. If any people are miserable it is probably because of the climate of the Atacama, not the mining. Brine mining using evaporation is truly "solar power" as it depends on the sun and evaporation to concentrate the lithium brine. The same process happens naturally in the desert and some of the salt flats host flamingos that feed on the brine shrimp and algae that grows where there is this brackish water (funny how they survive this "toxic" condition). But you can't even get to these places without a 4x4. The Atacama is a beautiful place, and in none of my time there did I see anyone who who looked miserable with the exception of some hard working hard-rock copper miners that operated very small underground mines for copper ore. Even they seemed to love the challenges they faced and certainly did not feel "exploited." One of these miners shared some samples of Atacamite, a rare copper mineral found only in the Atacama with me and it is among my most prized rock samples. There is no one there protesting the lithium mines or even the copper mines which are the largest in the world.
Thoughtful, empirical, not theoretical.
Thanks for being early here and being a regular. You add a lot.
Notice they haven't bothered staging a strike on any of the dozens of giant Earth-ripping Lignite open pits in Germany. Most polluting energy source on Earth, next to Germany's giant Wind & Solar industrial sites. They even demolish entire German historic towns in order to strip the lignite underneath them. I bet they were planning an attack on Germany's last few Nuclear power plants if the Greens hadn't succeeded in shutting them all down.
Well they did stage a big shindig in Lutzerath last Jan (2023) and even occupied an abandoned village. But that was their last stand in North Rhine-Westphalia, and they moved on.
Besides, the group is Lutzerath is the circus, mosh pit (plenty of pictures of that), and the virtue signalers and celebrities like Greta.
The people who did what happened outside the TSLA plant yesterday are ready to burn it all to the ground. They are the malevolent/violent wing of Antifa turning their torches and tires on energy infrastructure to burn their way to their nihilistic utopia!
They've been around for a long time, I believe a century or more. Never amounted to much and most people had never heard of them until they got co-opted into the Neoliberal establishment, minions of our Bankster Overlords, some of their brown shirts. They're being protected.
About half-way through I began to envision some person in a beret and Che Guevara tee shirt, smoking roll-your-own cigarettes, surrounded by discordant poetry books, and opposed to automobiles because secretly they don't know how to change a flat.
Now imagine him finding his way to a Trabant plant in E. Germany and setting it on fire b/c, while it was helping the E. Germans and Russians, it was killing the planet and enabling imperialism. That analogy work for mashup we have going on here?
It seems there is scarcely any limit to the evil that can be perpetrated by those protesting they are doing good and helping others
100 million dead in 20th century alone because of that.